From Refugee to Photographer: Greek Inspiring Expat Story with Nasir Javed 🚶🏾‍♂️📷

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in this episode I'm thrilled to introduce Nasir jabed a talented Pakistani photographer whose life
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Journey brought him to Greece at the age of 22 Nasir crossed borders as an illegal immigrant and became Refugee
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seeking Asylum fought through countless challenge to build a new life here now
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Greece is not only his home but also his canvas where he captures stunning
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visuals and share his unique perspective as a tour guide
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link in the description the expat Naz ja welcome to xat experts uh we are
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recording again uh from Athens today I'm really really happy to have with me here
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and letting off this is amazing space to record uh welcome thank you so much for
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acting for coming thank you very much uh um n Jed originally from
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Pakistan traveled through Iran turkey until arriving to Greece you've been
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more than 20 years in Greece already so you are like a a local now um working here but uh also doing
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photography and doing tours and we will talk a little bit more about that in the second part like this combination of
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like having photography and guided tours in the city which I find really really interesting um but before we do that
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let's talk about a little bit about you and your experience until arriving here
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MH uh okay ER I started in 2001 in
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September uh I decided to move uh in Europe it wasn't
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uh uh final that I will I would stay here uh but it wasn't plan
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that first I will come here so that was the the way we
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started um it was a difficult Journey it was like uh illegal
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immigrants uh only the first part was legal like in until Iran M I had Visa so
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I went there legally there wasn't an issue but only for the first two three
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nights afterwards we were moved to the Border area which is not
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um uh legally uh allowed to go because you are
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you went there for visiting the uh like uh Cals and tourist yes like a
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tourist but not the Border area so I don't know if you want more details of it we will go into it no worries but so
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basically you you you were born and raised in Pakistan how old were you when you
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uh I was 22 22 okay yeah and then you just took the The Bravery to to to to
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start the journey like like this without with the idea of coming to Greece specifically or with the idea of just
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arriving to Europe anywh actually I got some friends here okay from my Village
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so he told me that uh you should come he was having a good job so he asked me to
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uh join him uh but uh the plan was never to stop somewhere it was maybe we go
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France maybe we go other countries Spain or somewhere else but uh because it's
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the Gateway of uh Europe so you have to come first here and then you have to see
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how things will go but in my case I stayed forever here it was forever I
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think well yeah it happens quite often like a lot of people thinks that they
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are coming or going somewhere for like one two years and then they're staying the rest of their lives there yes um
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well if you're comfortable here it's also nice no like over complicating it even more like I think no I don't I
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don't complain about it I'm I'm very good and thank God I have settled down and I'm okay nice so you said you
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started your journey through Iran like you traveled uh how how did you arrive to Iran till Iran we took a bus from
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Pakistan there was a there's a bus service you can take bus from from the
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central area of Pakistan till I I mean you almost you across the whole Pakistan
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to go on the other side okay where where I was born till the Border area of Iran
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uh then we stayed One Night in tan and then they took us uh
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uh with the some passes hidden in the bagat area and took us to the Border
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area where we stayed for almost 25 days oh wow yeah in uh in a
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village not a village like there is only two three houses on the border there's
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nothing else uh in um in a with their cattles m because we
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are more than 40 person okay we are staying like they they have uh separate
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the half area from their cattles their cows their okay other animal yes animals
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and a half area for us but I mean with with the Flor yeah yeah yeah H they feed
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us twice a day I mean in the morning and in the evening we weren't allowed to go
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out uh only during the night time when during the daylight we weren't allowed
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to go out we had to stay in because uh it was on Mountain we can't be seen from
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everywhere so it was dangerous to find out that they are hiding some people through across the
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border uh we tried from there uh after
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almost 25 days we tried to cross to cross a border with one guide from there
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uh but it went it didn't went well we have
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to again come back my foot was
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uh when we when we are going to across border we went with the car like uh like
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the car I I don't know how to say like the open car from behind this kind of
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like like a truck yes like yes like agricultural truck uh without lights without anything
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they have to drive because it's the bar area so it can't be seen in the night when the car is moving in the area so
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they have to drive without lights without everything uh but uh from when when they
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they let us in area and they asked now we have to walk for half an hour and we will cross the border but it never
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happens because uh there wasn't some fires so we have to come back maybe they
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hasn't the person who who they have talked okay already so we have to come
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back so basically after this 25 days for example someone comes and says okay
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today tonight is the night like it comes like exactly exactly and we have to walk all night
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and we have to come back we have to stay more for a week so the trip that you did
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by car on the way there yeah you did it back by by yes because there is no car again to come back okay uh we stay
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almost again a week then it start snowing because because because it was before it wasn't there wasn't
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snow and it was the first time when I saw snow in my life okay well that was
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very maybe not the best timeing no but it I mean I was 22 so it was everything
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was beautiful for me uh in the morning we start playing with the snow outside
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and when they s they has must they come get in get in get in you not allowed to
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be out uh anyway we stayed and almost a week and then again we did another night
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we tried to cross the border again with the guide uh but this time uh there was
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very uh there was a snow everywhere like my knees have to so until here
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yeah uh we have to walk uh without stopping because the guy told us there
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was three three of them they told us that uh uh we won't stop so you have to
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follow us if you stop you are on your own because they they they have time
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limits to cross the border okay so we have to follow them they always telling us that uh there will be a car which
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will be picking us up soon but there wasn't any so we we keep going almost
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for we started at 11:00 in the night and we arrive at a place on the other side in
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Turkey uh next day at uh 11 in the morning so it's a 12 hours Journey
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nonstop yes with snow until here yes without water without anything because
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the water we had we got some bottle of water on us but was freezed okay we
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don't have food we didn't have anything uh we have some we were almost 200
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people who are walking oh gosh all the way okay uh we had some because um when
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we started from Pakistan we had some guys with us I mean we we wasn't we we were we weren't friends but we know each
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other we started with the one person we have talk before so we know that we are a group so we know almost four or five
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peoples everyone like this because you are doing the same route and the same Journey yeah uh so we yes we took care
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of each other we were trying but there were some guys when we arrive on the
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other side uh only two person one was me
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and another one was able to walk was able to
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eat with their hand or go to toilet because their hands and their foots were like swollen totally frozen I suppose
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because you didn't have any boots or any equipment for work they haven't they haven't uh so we helped them
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to to go to eat to go toilet or anything all of these
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things uh then we stayed for a week there almost uh on that house then they
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took us with the some ambulances they put us in ambulances it
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was a trick I mean they start like ambulances but we were inside there wasn't any patient so there was multiple
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people on an ambulance and then putting they were just to to to move deceive the
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people to deceive the police and these things anyways we we went to the next
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place where we stayed one night and then they took us in a truck a big truck
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which was uh divided with half they had Furniture in behind they had a fake
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background that they and we were almost 45 person inside we didn't have the
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place to sit or anything we were just standing it was very cold it was almost
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December uh it was uh snowing outside everything
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uh anyways we had almost 12 hours from there and we arrive somewhere in uh near
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Istanbul from there they bring some buses and put us in the luggage area and
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because they can't send uh have us sitting like seats everything and we
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arrived in the city uh where there is there was a
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like uh bakery store but that bakery store had a behind door I mean you there
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is always a behind something and you go upstair to an apartment okay so when we
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arrived there we were there almost 100 people upstairs living in that apartment
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I mean there wasn't uh beds and anything just you there was cleans there was I
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mean carpets carpets and you just went sleep there and there was only two
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toilets for all of these people anyways we we stayed there
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almost uh more than 15 days uh and because I I had a bug I I
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want to see whever I I want to travel I want to see the area so I asked them do I want to see the area I want to visit
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the because we are staying here so I want to know to fit uh they allowed me okay uh only
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because the the only thing was allowed is that if you if someone send you money
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you have to go on your own you have to go in person to the bank to collect that money okay so I had as I said in
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beginning that I had friend here so I told him that please send me some money
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I wasn't in need of money but I want to go to visit so he sent me some money and
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I went you use it as excuse to go to the bank so they followed me I mean there was one person from these guys he
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followed me maybe he accompanied me to go to the bank because I don't know where the B is
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so he took me there uh we we took the money and as we were
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coming from out from the bank there were to guys who put handcuffs on us decided we
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are police they wasn't wearing anything like
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and he I I wasn't in um in position to do
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anything I just give my hand he handcuffed me and I was like this I
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don't know where I am I don't know where to run but the other guy he start running okay uh but they got him in two
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blocks he come back and he told me in my language that they they want money they
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don't want to to arrest you arrest us they just want money and because I I I
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had a very difficult Journey behind so I tell him that tell them that I had M I have money in my pocket there is a
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wallet and tell them in Turkish that you can take all the money and uh just let
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us go please so they took us Us in the area in a park they took all the money
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from my wallet uh but only the Turkish money they didn't took they didn't took the
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dollars or Euros we had okay it was strange yes but uh yes they did okay and
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they let us go so that was the first tour in Turkey I was in uh the famous
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area have you been there in in Turkey yeah in istan so it was in taxim these
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areas so this was the first I took taxi and I go back straight on the place the
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way stain yeah and these guys that you say it's also like do you how much do
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you know of the journey that you are taking like because you I suppose you contact some someone in Pakistan saying
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okay we want to do this you need to organize somehow all the trip how much
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do you know on where do you will stay where would how which route will you take actually I I I
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would like to put some light on this because this area is not very clear for
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everyone yeah because um these guys when they talk to you and
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they try to have you in this trip they told you that we have everything in
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control in Pakistan or in every every country like when they try to we have
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our businesses we have have uh our friends we will not have any difficulties we have connections with
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the police border everything so you don't have to worry anything they will tell you all these things and you have
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to give us like then it was like 5,000
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Euro the money they took from me uh you have to pay half and half when you
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arrive there but the thing is that that person you have talked and you have
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given your money he only knows the next person okay that's what I meant I mean
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he told me to go to the next city in Pakistan it's not even outside from
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Pakistan he told me go to that person and tell him that I'm sending you and he he knows what to do so we did
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that and when we go to that person he tolds me that took the bus go to Iran
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and there will be a person named like this and he will pick you up and he
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knows what to do the person who was in Iran he don't know about the first
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person I have gave money so it's like always always one step ahead but behind
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person there's there's no information of that's why they are they are
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covered it's like they cover they backfire each other like no they put
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this wall it's a little bit like it only can follow two persons of the whole thing the first person will follow up
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and uh try to find his money and he will ask when you arrived here but during the
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time nobody knows him they told us no we don't know him
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okay you are here you are on us and we know the person right before you come
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here only this so that's the work that that that's the how they work all the
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system and they tell you just the next step probably like when you when you talk with the guy in Pakistan they told
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you okay you need to go to this guy you didn't know you were going through turkey you didn't know we knew that we
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knew that we we will uh pass from Iran turkey and everything but uh very very
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beautiful way I mean you will go to Iran there will be a bus that will took you
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to the turkey and from Turkey there will ship that will take you to gree Greece
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that's that's it but during that time what you will face and what you will
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have to do there's no information of it and because when you arrive here and you
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have uh finish that uh journey and you left it
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behind uh you see things are going well you are having work and you are having
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better life than before so you forgot that and no nobody when I when I when you told to other peoples who are living
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in Pakistan your fellow guys your friends your brothers or cousins they
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don't believe you because they will see what you are now no yeah what you have done before nobody is matter for them
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yeah it's a mid of mid of like it doesn't really matter no like you were there and you achieve it and now you
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have a good life and that's it like yeah yeah exactly I see so when we are were
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in um in that place in Istanbul then they took again us with that truck with
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furniture and bring us somewhere in ismir which is
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uh near the sea the coast yeah Coastline we from there they put us in a ship
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which was very small A boat like I could say with the fishing
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boat uh we were on the boat almost 200 9
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people it was like uh very small
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one we we aborted that boat in the
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night and during the whole night they were telling us that Coast card is uh
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behind them so they have lost uh the time and uh the appointment
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where they had so we are very close to the Italy neither to the Greece that's
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what they were telling us M it wasn't true okay
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uh then they told us that uh because our ship has been nned to the Coast Guard
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and they were behind us and they now they uh have the information of our ship so we have to uh disembark you here on a
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small island and then we will bring another boat to take you back because uh it's not
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possible to go with this boat because this boat has been marked by coost
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guard uh I personally I was not in position to even talk because I was very
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it was my first time uh in the sea my first time in the boat in my life
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ever uh it was very cold was uh 28th
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December so you can imagine how cold it was uh we were on Deck the deck means it
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was so close to the sea I mean uh when it was like uh wng we can touch the
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water it was so smooth so you can imagine how we were and so many people on top of
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it yeah yeah there were kids also families inside and uh anyway he tried
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to uh approach a small it can't be can be say said the an
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island just some rock yeah uh but it
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wasn't possible because it was you can imagine in December how SE could be so
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he he took us from there he he moved the boat to another place and he he pushed
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very hard the the boat power to approach another rock but in my opinion because
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they don't use the equipments and anything the radar and everything they Swit off everything he didn't saw there
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was a rock under the water and he done like this tap to the boat and we start
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hearing the water getting in the water yes so we I said to my friends which
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were close to me the people who I knew knew that I think we are going to sing
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We have to jump thank God that the boat was stuck for almost 5 minutes 6 minutes
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to that until it get water inside and we jumped okay almost everyone there wasn't
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no no life has been lost lost in that opion we jumped on the Rock along with
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the guys who are driving were the captains and everything the crew uh and I I remember that when
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I when I C my conscience and I saw behind there wasn't any boat only one
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blue drum of oil everything was G inside W okay that was very very
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I mean this uh picture I can't forget of
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course not uh anyways then uh these guys the
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guys come with you like the the people who are there is someone driving the boat like it's a motorized boat and they
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are they three three or four crew members okay they they have to jump also because they don't have other choice
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yeah yeah so they hide somewhere in the in the that Island uh I found out later
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that what is the name of that Island because then I didn't know then then I did my research when I got here and I
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got internet and everything and I got some newspapers from them and I find
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it's it's a place name is Ura Ura yeah it's near um scopos MH and in these
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areas I mean uh and uh then they connected to the
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Coast Guard and Coast Guard GES with the some other boats and they talk to us
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they told us that we are from Greece uh they asked us for if someone
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lost his life we told them that we are all okay okay they will they told us
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that they will bring some boats and they will take us okay then they took us into
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all of them to Volos Volos yeah it's because it's the nearest place I think
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from there uh we had good treatment I can say
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that uh we they took us to a basketball Club M there was a black Hall like there
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when we arrived there it was almost 4 Hour Journey from there four to four
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three to four hours and when we arrived we we found there for all of us m
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messes cloths fresh food they told us to take bath and
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change your address and they have doctors they provide us almost everything and there was coast guards
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from Greece it was not it was not was coard directly it was
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Coast Guard and uh I think the the foods everything they must be provided by ngos
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and maybe some church trust like this things okay uh we stayed there
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till uh January 22 at that place okay there wasn't uh
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negotiations they wanted to deport us because it was uh as I said it was in
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December 2001 yeah and they wanted to because it
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was a almost the one of the first big batch of immigrants that
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arrived together okay uh but there were some Nos and some um
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students organizations which I found up information about them later
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on they helps they did some strikes and these things that these are refugees
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they don't shouldn't be departed and things so things Chang
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and they gave us uh status of Asylum
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Seekers and we had a six months validation of a residence
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perment and uh they let us uh in a like camps like refugee camps
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in a village near Lama M but we didn't stay there I mean when we arrived they
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let they took us with the bus and they let us there and they told us you have to stay
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here uh but when we arrive there we ask them the administrations there and we
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asked them if we if we are I mean we have to stay there he told us you are free to go you no are not prisoners yeah
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you are not prisoners you are staying because you don't have to go somewhere if you have you can go because I had
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friends so the same night we took a c from there and we come
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here long distance lamia lamia Athens is not close also like yeah we took I mean
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we paid 400 euros I think and we were four person in the car and
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we the strange thing is at that I I first came uh in this neighborhood oh
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really you live now again yeah I mean it's only only two block blocks from here where we we the taxi brings us
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because the my friends was living in that area so that's the
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almost as you say for the journey how was it wow yeah long no I mean longer for
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you that was like September 2001 until the January 2002
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that you arve here in Athens yes so it's like a lot of
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months three four five months almost yes thank God I can say that that U yes the
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journey was difficult um I mean the circumstances were but in general uh I
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find found good persons during all the time I mean in yes in
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the people who are handling us uh yes they have their job I mean
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they're their job they they are doing the their part yes but generally I can say that uh
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it was good so you were not treated well neither treated very bad let's say like
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this like okay and do you remember because you said you have your group of people from Pakistan
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that it was people that either you met there or you met through the through the way in Iran or in Turkey um you remember
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other nationalities that were there like yes I do so forget to mention that in um
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when we arrived in Istanbul some of my fellow guys who were with me and who I
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knew from the beginning of my journey uh two of them have lost their legs due
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to the snow two thighs one of them has lost their
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fingers and another one lot of fingers his foot due to the walking in the in the
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snow in the first second cross yeah uh from uh from
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the ship yes we were uh what what happened when you lose a leg when when
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you when you lose I mean I suppose fingers in the hand it's the guys who lost their fingers they
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were they right here but the guys who lost their legs they went back by I mean
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they go to the police and they they deport them in from Turkey yes because
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they need hospitalization some point yeah he has to go hospital because I
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mean losing fingers theorically you also should go to the hospital but uh yeah but it's it's uh doable okay somehow yes
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I don't know because I'm not the person yeah thank God I had good shoes maybe
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good clothes so I think that's the reason I don't know yeah but at the same
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time is what you were saying you you're they putting it so nice so beautiful for you that what do you bring like uh if it
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was the first time that you saw snow in your life you don't have snow clothes anyway no so yes same with the boat same
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with the sh chips like okay what are you wearing yeah and they they don't let us have when they put us in boat I remember
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that they told us throw everything you had you can take only one uh je okay and
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uh one shirt if you have more because we had some shoes some you can't take
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anything extra because they want to put 209 people inside they don't want have our Lage from the people that you
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traveled with you still maintain the the connection with unfortunately almost no one because um
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from in the boat we had peoples from Morocco we had from Iraq some Chinese
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guys it was very strange then it's in 2001 it's I mean it's not like China is
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not like now in 2001 they they had the issues they couldn't leave the country
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like this so we had Chinese we had peoples from
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uh Africa I don't know how it happens they were in Istanbul and they were
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moving here and lot of people from Iraq Syria all these but when almost we were
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half Pakistani okay some Bangladesh also like this what about communication
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because these guys that drive the boats or that they bring you like they speak Turkish I suppose
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the the on in Turkey but they speak they don't speak to us oh okay they are they
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just give orders get in get out or stay there or only this they don't they they
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have a mission they know somewhere to go and we know we are in their hands we
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don't have conversation but even the orders they do it in Turkish so you need to
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yeah they you learned we were we were in almost 25 days in Istanbul so you know
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the same orders yeah you know the basics so and uh some of them they said some
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words in English so you can have it when you arrive here with the Salem
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what what's the process because you said okay you had a three month six months uh residence permit through Asylum
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because luy you also were one of the first ones before they treated it I think
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afterwards in the next years it wasn't it wasn't like that and it's not like that now because they are we are having
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lot of refugees no it's not the same yeah uh the when when we arrived here in
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Athens uh I had the bug as I said before I started uh
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uh going around in the city I what was my habit it was that I took
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a monthly bus card MH uh and I took every day a new bus
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okay I don't know I don't it doesn't matter where where it goes okay I wanted to see the city so I took one a bus from
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here and go to the very tense and then take back to the home so I know oh the
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same bus will bring me where I'm starting and once I was um on the bus just luckily I was
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passing from um the police headquarter which is in Alexandria so I was uh I saw a lot of
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people are waiting there in the line so I stopped and I asked they told me that
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here you can renew your residence permit it was just P luck yeah I didn't know
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about the process I didn't know anything I just go forward and I talk to the
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policeman I asked him uh in English I wasn't able to speak Greek so I asked
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him and he told me that uh you have must have an address here in city and you can
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come here and you can renew when it's going to be expired so I found it and I go every six
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months there that was a process for the residence department for the job
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purpose uh I had uh only with an address you
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could renew the the residence permit no this only this residence permit ah okay
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the six months in Asylum yes when you are Asylum Seeker you have some perks I
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mean you are not like other residents uh because it it means that
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it's a it's a temporary res expent and you are in process until you got the
39:29
final decision which is now taken very quickly okay and and that time it was it
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took two and a half year for me okay so you could renovate this uh six months
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every for these two and a half years yes because they don't have see so they have
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to give you rest but you must have an address okay cuz they don't they can't
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give you when you don't don't know where are you staying so that was the only and you
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were staying with your friends I was staying with my friend yes I had uh the
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luck that I wasn't uh I mean I was a little bit
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uh I I could easily do things without sending money behind Okay because my
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father was also working still working so I had the chance to visit the area to
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find the job to I mean I I was easy I wasn't I I didn't have difficulties yeah
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have the pressure of needing to send money back home yes and the money which
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I paid to come here I had paid already so I don't have someone to push me to
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work or okay so I I was easy so you didn't have a credit or someone like
40:54
like this and workwise how how did you find work like how how is the for the
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work um so I started uh my first job was
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uh at a place where there are some swing something mhm like swing machines and
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these things I started with a friend there
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and luckily the person who was the owner of that place was very good he's very
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good he's still good uh he start talking me in Greek he
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learning me some words and uh I told him that I want to learn Greek so he find uh
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some places some institutes where I could I go and he helps
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me uh a lot and he found the no first I found a place uh and
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organization which is uh NGO M it still exists it's uh GCR MH Greek Council for
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refugees uh they had some free lessons Okay for uh
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refugees uh and the most of the teachers
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were uh volunteers students mostly this so I
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went there for basic for some basic Greek language but unfortunately they have to stop because they the lessons
42:31
were happening in exarchia somewhere but the place uh they don't have money
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to to keep paying the rent so they have to stop but the girl who was our teacher
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she told told me that there are lessons in in the University M here uh which are
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also free for refugees okay but it's uh far if you are okay if you want to go I
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can help you with that so she helps me to find the place where it it's
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in I know I don't know if you have been in zfu it's University philosophy SCH
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yeah I was there and uh also my boss I
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told you before he also uh helps me he even came with me to
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the University and and uh make the registration and everything uh and we took the lesson
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there for almost 4 months okay forek it was every day from 5 to 9 oh go 5 yeah a
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lot of hours yeah every day four hours it was every afternoon and uh I I think the from
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there I learned the language that's the very good thing
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uh for the job I keep working with him until when I learned the language I I
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told him that I would like to find something else he tolds me that
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unfortunately I don't have much money to give you he was very honest but I will
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help you to find another J he was looking on ads and everything he was
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calling he was uh asking if there is any place to because I know someone who's uh
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but again I find a place from my one of my friend in a
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factory uh which is close by here uh
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that factory is they have some heavy metals and they make like uh like knobs
44:48
of doors curtain things and very I mean
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this kind of component okay uh I work there for 3 months but because it was
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very heavy duty work I couldn't survive my I break my back I went to a doctor
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and doctors asked me to stop you can't do this so I had to
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stop uh from there then
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I I was in ah I found that uh there is a
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program for um uh uh the person who don't have who are jobless but they have
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abilities to do uh some business plans okay uh and
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they want the government funds them from European Union there are some funds so I
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took some funds and I open a shop okay
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uh a small shop and there I find Nancy I
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mean that was the next question when did love happen actually the the thing with the
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shop and with the introduction with the nanzi it's almost the same uh period okay we were
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talking there were thing three main thing happens then the one thing that I
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got uh the permanent residence permanent for
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as a refugee I got uh the permanent residency so it
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was the resolution of the ayum after this two years and a half and because I I when uh it was very good timing
46:40
because when I I was called for the uh final interview because they then then the
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process was different I don't know how it's now uh there is a commission of
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five six people okay who calls you and who asks you what is reason of your
46:57
you're asking for Asylum and they put you on a table and they ask lot of
47:03
questions in order to find out if you are saying what you are saying is true truth or
47:09
not to be honest on the camera uh I didn't have any political
47:17
issues behind but it was the you have to tell a story because you have to justify
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this yeah justify this so I had
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um I had a story to tell but I think the reason I got the
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permanent residency is it was that uh before the that interview date came I
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already knew the language I already can speak on my own I
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didn't need any translator CU when they asked me do you need a translator for
47:58
your interview I told him no I can speak so so the part of the integration
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also mattered a lot so it was direct uh that was one thing I think
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that matters another thing was that I was already registered myself in
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University okay for not not only for the language for the for studies for studies
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okay uh I never finished unfortunately uh because I I had work
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like having opening a business and studying at the same time it's a complex thing to to do yeah that exactly so they
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they at the same time period I got residence Perman uh on the same day
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almost when when I was announced that I am now I had residence permanent here
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for permanen uh I mety okay it was on the same day we were talking on the it
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was on the Skype and uh we were talking and uh she told me uh we were talking for almost 20
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minutes 15 minutes I don't know how much and she told me that uh my name is ncy I
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live there she asked me what's your name I tell my Nas no way she said what is
49:15
Nas you speak like Greek and no I'm not S I said uh no you
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are it it can be okay which abbreviation of a Greek name
49:29
is it yeah okay then let's go for a coffee to afternoon and you will find
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out if I am not from Pakistan or I am Greek he said okay let's see so we
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finished talking and I told her that I have to go to the place for my documents she think
49:51
that she thought that uh I was lying I just want to leave but I went there and
49:57
they announced me that you have been upo for permanent residence so I came back
50:04
and told her and we went the same day for coffee
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which wasn't a coffee actually we went for a she wanted to shop for shopping so we went together
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for shopping no coffee no coffee and
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uh then still together no like yeah we are we the last uh July 19 July we had
50:33
20 years together oh bad H does she still believe that you're
50:40
Greek or I think she now you now you are Greek
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yeah and uh the same time I got idea of that business so I started
50:53
uh to provide documents for that and I got that funds and I opened that shop
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which is downstairs here so that uh as I
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said there were three points one was the reses per another was the meeting Nancy and then she told me that she had a
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place okay downstairs which can be used for this because I had to find a place to open a shop H and it was easy for
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what was the shop about it was just a mini market oh okay it wasn't like
51:28
uh but then she was complaining that I'm all the time there she so I have to
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close it I had this shop almost from I opened it
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2004 and I sell it in
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200 uh 9 during that time for from 7 2007 to
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2009 because my brother was here okay by the same way he he was came here
52:01
illegally and everything but most more difficult way uh he was taking care of
52:08
the shop and I start working with the with the Department of uh where the
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Asylum Seekers are okay asking for Asylum I was there for as a translator
52:23
and uh interpretor mhm uh uh I worked for them almost three years and in 2009
52:33
I left from there and I start working with the shipping company which is the
52:40
same company NC is working my wife where she's there since
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1986 okay and maybe 89 sorry and uh I'm
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there since 2009 we had 15 years anniversary last year very nice and we had three
53:04
kids I mean Nancy had three kids from the previous uh marriage she was married
53:10
with a french guy but we raised them together I mean the kids were when we
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met they were two three and five M two
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five and seven so since then uh we are together I ra them we ra them together
53:29
and now they are grown men you saw the yeah definitely not neither two or
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five or seven yeah beside the my job I
53:43
also I always love photography it was also one of my
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bugs in my childhood I I had also always I had a camera and I take pictures and
53:54
everything but in 2015 I started more professionally I bu
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professional equipment I took some lessons here with the Greek
54:10
photographer and since then I'm also working as a photographer nice maybe
54:17
linking that already I will ask you just a couple of questions more uh I always do this kind of section between the the
54:24
two parts of the episode little bit more recommendation style um
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is there any I mean you've been here 23 years so I'm sure you have your coffees your
54:37
restaurants recommendations your places that you like to go um any restaurant that you love here in Athens any
54:45
restaurant there are a lot of restaurants actually yes because I as I said I don't know if I said before I am
54:52
also doing Food Tours uh which is related to the restaurant so there are a lot of
54:58
restaurants which I could recommend um most of them maybe all of
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them are Greek Greek food I love so maybe I will set there is one uh
55:13
which I we we we go very often I mean whenever we don't don't have anything
55:18
cooked at home we will go there and we e so it's like our second
55:23
home H it's in um met and it name's
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opip it's the small Meo where you can you can add anything
55:40
and they are all delicious so keep that recommendation in mind
55:46
yes um what about music do you hear any Greek music do you listen to any music
55:51
yes I do and we also do we also taking Greek dancing lessons
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oh wow okay yeah Greek traditional dances and uh we went very often
56:08
to the places where I mean there show there are restaurants and bars and they
56:13
had live music you can go there you can have for your food and you can dance also so we do very of this okay H for
56:23
the music uh I usually like mostly the old versions okay like
56:30
uh theas like because I have I the Greek
56:37
music I have learned from my wife okay so I mean what she was uh listening I'm
56:42
listening the same if I was with someone else maybe I was uh listening to rock
56:49
yeah so this is my music thing I mean mostly maybe I would ask you favorite
56:58
dish from Greece Cuisine you say that you like really much Greek cuisine what is your favorite dish the favorite dish
57:05
I have a lot of favorite it's a difficult question difficult yes the bam is my favorite one
57:12
which is a Greek I don't know if you yeah yes and
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uh there is a one food which my um mother-in-law was uh cooking she
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don't Cooks now and it was like
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beef roast beef M and that was my favorite one uh now we don't find too much yeah
57:42
because you don't Co but that was also my favorite maybe last question of
57:47
recommendations do you ever go to Pakistani restaurants here in a uh yes I
57:53
do uh not very often the face because uh
57:59
living with the Greeks and uh almost my whole life is
58:04
like uh the Greeks so same thing in the food I do not eat very spicy and very
58:14
like uh hot food so I'm not able to eat every day that's what as I as I was
58:21
before coming here uh so we go only if
58:26
we go there is one place we like is uh nwit it's in her street okay near monasi
58:35
they have very good Indian and Pakistani food okay that's that's one my I've been
58:41
there I say yeah it's it's I think they have very good
58:47
um standards I mean there are a lot of places for Pakistani food but they have
58:53
they're very clean and they are making everything fresh and in front of if if your stomach has turned Greek already
58:59
it's a good place to go no like it's not it's not too hot not too spicy they they take care off little bit European people
59:07
as well nice so with that said I would say we jump directly to the second part and we talk about your photography
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guiding Tour Part the expert photography and tour
59:20
guiding so I would say we talk now a bit about uh the hobby that transform into
59:29
profession that transform into you said you you you already start talking a little bit about it like you like it
59:36
from kid so it was like a passion of yours like how that whole thing came up
59:42
as I said that almost is my first time in front of camera I'm always on the
59:48
other side yes I like it very much this passion starts in I I said I always had
59:55
it but I started in 2015 and I bought a good
1:00:04
camera and I started taking lessons after almost
1:00:10
uh one and a half year I started uh a profile on uh Airbnb mhm
1:00:20
to like these are Airbnb experiences and it names to be a super
1:00:26
model for a day okay and so I it was I mean first I
1:00:32
started uh I I didn't know how it it will goes and but it's going very well quite
1:00:41
well and uh I'm having bookings from
1:00:48
uh uh almost every corner of the world because
1:00:54
a lot of people are visiting uh in Athens and that's a good thing that uh
1:00:59
right in Athens you have everything you have very good areas you have very good light M uh almost you have always good
1:01:08
weather so it's very important for for the for shoots and you have all these
1:01:15
beautiful sites like uh near the acropo and all these
1:01:23
areas and tourist and C lot of times they ask me to take their
1:01:30
photos while they are proposing their requiring proposals and these
1:01:36
things uh so that's mostly I'm doing
1:01:42
and from [Music] 2016 I started this almost almost end of
1:01:51
2016 uh because I'm not full-time photographer so so I could have more
1:01:57
shoots or more more clients if I was working also in the morning as a
1:02:03
photographer but because it's not something um you can rely on I have to
1:02:10
keep my job morning job so I'm doing this only on weekends on or in
1:02:16
afternoons okay so basically it came up like you
1:02:21
already knew photography a little bit or you were having some passion for it you studied you did courses and then you
1:02:29
found a way of of of doing it uh the the people that is coming to your photo
1:02:35
shootings are mainly tourist then or or do you also have some clients who are photo shooting I don't know models or
1:02:42
people like the first time when when I started it was like uh I found found uh the my first client
1:02:51
was from let me think about she was um um she was a girl MH she wanted to start
1:02:59
modeling okay and uh I think she was from China she was living in New York
1:03:07
okay and I don't know the way abouts of it her uh if she started or if she done
1:03:15
modeling finally but first client was her and uh since
1:03:22
then uh I think I have 50 50% I mean 50%
1:03:28
are couples just tourists okay and uh 50% are something like they want to be a
1:03:36
model or some are I mean some kind of
1:03:43
influencers uh yes maybe 50/50 okay some some are just solo
1:03:50
Travelers and they want some good pictures here yes yeah um what do you
1:03:57
like most like when it's like a photo shooting in a studio and you control a little bit everything or you like really
1:04:04
much the what you were saying no going to Phil Papo and having the Acropolis behind I think I like more when I'm
1:04:11
outside H I wish I could have more assistant for my life and everything H
1:04:21
but I don't have almost uh I'm solo I have to do everything
1:04:27
and but yes I think outside is more fun because you have um you have the whole sunlight you
1:04:36
have the sunsets you have generally the backgrounds and the citycape everything
1:04:43
this you can't have have in in a studio and in studio is uh you you have to be
1:04:51
more like technician you know the light you know
1:04:56
how to change it you know how to but in when you are outside because you can't control the surrounding you have you
1:05:03
have to do all the things from your camera mostly basically that when you go
1:05:09
in studio you're needing to be more like a technician than a than a real photographer at the end and yeah I don't
1:05:15
I don't blame that someone is there are lot of artists and a lot of photographers who are do very good job
1:05:22
in studios I know that uh I'm not saying that they are not good in that I'm just
1:05:30
saying that it's it's like more to to be more technical but in um outside you
1:05:37
have to be more uh creative maybe which kind of photographer you will Define
1:05:44
yourself as like which is your style of Photography which is my style I do like
1:05:51
portraits and whenever I have uh I don't complain that
1:05:59
uh when I have solo Travelers uh mostly the
1:06:04
couples uh I like more because uh they have more interaction yeah they have
1:06:10
more interaction they are more easy uh to cope with them because they
1:06:15
they they interact to each other so when when there is a Solo Traveler either a
1:06:21
single man or female uh it's a bit uh
1:06:26
difficult to get involved them but yes uh again I have maybe 5050 some I have a
1:06:36
lot of couples and I have a lot of solo guys how does it come the idea of
1:06:42
like transforming something like photography to what you say no like more like a tour or become a photographer I
1:06:49
model for one day like yeah that was a uh when I when I took lessons from um uh
1:06:58
a photography here and I I wanted to do more photo shoots and photography I want
1:07:04
to do more things uh there was a barrier I can say
1:07:11
because yes you you have the camera you have you know the things but uh what you
1:07:19
going to do one thing I was doing is it was that I I always had my camera with
1:07:26
me wherever I go I I had it I go to the street I go to the city I take photos as
1:07:34
a street photographer uh but it's not
1:07:39
always either easy either uh uh you can't do more because
1:07:47
sometimes you can't even post the photos YouTu because nobody wants to see his
1:07:54
face on internet or everything so you have to be careful with it
1:08:00
so uh everybody was seeing that pictures my
1:08:05
friends my family and they were saying oh very good they are good they are good but I found that I need to do something
1:08:12
more uh there was a chance to do something with my with my teacher
1:08:19
photography he he's a very good photographer his name is th is Maru he's
1:08:25
a doing some um concert photography okay he's very in in these things his showas
1:08:32
and a lot of people things uh in the beginning he took me with him in some
1:08:41
concerts uh which was very good for me to see how things are working in
1:08:47
concerts and all these things and live when they are in State uh but it was the bar for me to
1:08:56
work in the night with him and on the daytime I have to go to the office so
1:09:03
there was a too much I I can't do the both I have
1:09:09
to choose one so I couldn't keep uh keep
1:09:16
up with this and I have to find another way to do my photography
1:09:22
desires so one day I had this idea that there I saw on the Airbnb that there is
1:09:28
you can present yourself and you can register experi register your like
1:09:33
experience I think I am one of if I'm not the first person maybe I must be the
1:09:41
third fourth person from Greece they started photography experiences
1:09:46
okay uh the bad thing is that I'm a little bit behind now because uh of the
1:09:54
time limit have limited time to do this yeah the availability is not very
1:10:01
open uh so this was a good idea behind it because I want to photograph I want
1:10:07
to do the photographs so I want to do in my my
1:10:14
time I don't have uh full day so only in this kind of platforms like arbnb and I
1:10:21
find someone other I'm working with you have choose your own time when you want
1:10:26
to work and they allowed you so that's was the reason mainly and you have to
1:10:33
because you have to do think about a catchy name to so that clickbait yes so that
1:10:42
was uh then the idea came that I have to give this name be a model for be a
1:10:48
supermel for a day and I I think it works I it's catchy that's for sure yeah
1:10:56
when when does it come the rest of the tours then like when when did you start with I don't know you said before that
1:11:02
you also have like a food experience for example yeah that what that's what
1:11:08
came last September I wasn't uh doing this before
1:11:14
M and actually I I I saw a website before I think three three years
1:11:21
ago uh the with locals m uh I got
1:11:28
registered and uh but I I done on uh I I
1:11:35
hadn't open my calendar because I wasn't I was thinking how it's working I didn't had
1:11:41
the time to see the details about it and how if I'm able to do that maybe it's
1:11:49
not for me I wasn't sure so I I I got just registered but I never open my
1:11:56
availability so I didn't have any CHS but last September
1:12:02
I I thought let let's see maybe I should do my wife she she told you could try
1:12:09
and if it's not working you can stop there's no cont no pressure yeah ex so
1:12:16
we so I opened the this I got the first
1:12:23
booking I was a bit yeah I was I'm thinking how am I going
1:12:30
to do that but anyway I I I started to the first thing I started I I started to
1:12:37
take them to places where I was going always because I'm a person
1:12:42
who we we usually go out we usually go for for a dinner for a lunch for drink
1:12:50
like this so I start taking them to the places where I was
1:12:56
so I saw that they were happy the first clients were happy the second clients
1:13:01
were also happy and uh then I open my
1:13:07
calendar and it's uh again on afternoons and on
1:13:13
weekends and it's going very well ni they I don't know well maybe
1:13:20
since uh since last September I have got more uh phots and photo shoots really
1:13:27
okay yes maybe you should start thinking how to combine both things like yeah I I I've done actually I there was um our uh
1:13:37
regional manager from with locals here last uh before four four months I think
1:13:45
he was here and he talked to us and I
1:13:50
came up with the idea to launch the same experience of uh photography and with locals as well on
1:13:58
this website so it's uh he accepted and now it's also available in there yeah I
1:14:06
have got some bookings uh from there as well nice oh I was thinking if you could
1:14:12
make photographies of people eating uh but it's a bit it's weird to do photo
1:14:17
shooting while people e I'm not very I'm not very okay with that actually it's funny because last week I interviewed uh
1:14:25
a girl she's she's actually from Germany but from an Irani family and she she's a
1:14:31
food uh Explorer Instagram and she has a very big account and we were talking
1:14:37
about how to take pictures in restaurants and this kind of stuff because it's a little bit weird know that people and she was like no all my
1:14:44
friends know that the first five minutes of dishes being in the table it's taking pictures then eating the first pictures
1:14:51
so yeah I suppose it's it's another world of photog photography and I that's
1:14:56
also like I I wanted to ask you like in your photography you really do person photography you don't really do object
1:15:03
or like no I don't do any product no I don't do I only do my in my pictures I
1:15:11
want to have a person I want a human element always that's my
1:15:17
thing black or black and white or color pictures I love black and white and in
1:15:24
the beginning I was doing only black and white okay for a long time
1:15:30
and but with the with the these experiences I have to do color
1:15:38
yeah but I I have done also some uh there was some exhibitions like
1:15:47
contests in um some Greek Islands and I took uh part in that and most of them
1:15:55
were on on the black and white nice so you still do picture for yourself I
1:16:01
always do I always do and uh I
1:16:07
miss um because uh some there were two contests in paros and Patmos and another
1:16:16
one in uh ad paros mhm uh but both of
1:16:21
them have stopped now I don't know what happens with the with their resources maybe they were
1:16:28
happening for five years so almost every years I
1:16:34
was uh submitting my and there the people from Whole World taking part in
1:16:39
them oh nice and it was good and it was a for me it was a motivation to do some
1:16:46
work but now it's not and the bad thing is that there are a lot of contest and
1:16:52
other things are happening in the world but I don't have always time yeah to take part too many things yes what about
1:17:01
digital or analog camera you already did analog photography unfortunately H I don't have very much
1:17:08
knowledge of analog I had in my childhood I had some
1:17:15
cameras for in Pakistan and I was using but it was a general without you I mean
1:17:22
any knowledge just put the film and took some pictures h i I would like to
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have but uh no I don't have right now I don't have any idea how things are
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working yes I know the basics of a camera how does it works but I never
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used for it for professional photography nice in the episode I think we were
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talking a little bit about it before with with Natalie this a Russian photographer she's also photographing
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doing photo shootings uh outside outdoor with with people Phil Papo I I did a
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photo shooting with her actually in Phil Pap she needed to model a couple modeling for for her portfolio so we we
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jump into it was my first photo shooting ever was very interesting experience um
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one of the things that she also like we were talking on that episode and I find really funny it's about the clothes and
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the style of the people that comes like she she normally has ask the people to
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to show a little bit of what you have in the closet do you do anything like that like do you control how the people are
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coming dressed to your to your photo shootings H not actually control uh but
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I always uh maybe I always there are there are templates of messages which I
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always send that please feel free to bring some more outfits if you would like so we can have more uh photo shoots
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H so when they got this message some of them they will send me what they have in
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their uh clets they will send me some dresses so we'll see and decide together
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no this one that one is better uh but no I I won't uh uh interrupt them if they
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want to use some kind of Tess yes I I always tell them my
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opinion and most of them yes they I listen about it and they will follow
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that but yes it's it's always good to know before yes I mean this is I was
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asking because I don't know if suddenly you're recording photo shooting in Philo Papo with the type of stone and
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Acropolis behind and someone comes in only beige colors then they blend into the into the
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SC sometimes it happens there was the once uh I can remember
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we were in acropo and uh and she was wearing just like how how
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looks the Acropolis when you look in the afternoon the colors was like same so it
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was uh very bad and she was uh she was a little bit
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uh very very much stunned maybe she was colored like uh like a t people and it
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wasn't good wasn't totally good she she wasn't very happy with
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theirselves but I I told her that uh before we talked I mean I told her that
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the dress is not very well but she told me that that's only she had okay so it
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was like what to do she went with it well it happens I suppose it happens yes
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what is the I mean we talk about Philip Papu Acropolis what is the most outside space
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that you shoot like not the most touristic because I'm suppose photo shooting the Acropolis is kind of a
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common thing where a sec your secret place for photo shooting ah my secret
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place when whenever I had a chance and I when they ask my suggestion I don't take
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them to Acropolis or these areas I always love to take pictures in liab
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Hill M and uh there are two things mainly one thing is that I can go there
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by my car so I can have my whole equipment I can take my lights my TR
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tripod stands everything flight stand and everything uh and it easy to change
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or switch anything uh another thing is that it's less crowded so you can find a
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spot where you can have your peace of mind to take pictures beautiful sunlight
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sunset uh and uh and one more thing is that uh there
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are some secret Areas um once I have done a shoot there
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there's also a area which is you think that it's not uh it's not in Athens okay
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I mean there are trees and a area like a valley okay it's in behind the Acropolis
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okay it's not very easily accessible you have to a model which is which can follow
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you so it was like a mostly a friendly
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shoot not not like girl from outside but she's great so I think I I prefer more
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uh there the non-touristic right okay but the most tourist they want acropo so
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you have to do that can I imagine yeah cool um yeah with all of this
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information I think the last question for today it's uh obvious where do my
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listeners can find you where where to book a a shooting with you where to book
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a tour where to find your I don't know your photos I'm available at uh
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Instagram mostly there is my profile with NJ Jore
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photography uh on Facebook and uh now I'm also available
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on with locals I have also some other similar websites but they're not very
1:23:30
famous and I'm not getting more bookings from them so I don't know how to with local Z then yeah all the links as
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always will be in the descriptions of of the of this episode so you can find nir
1:23:44
book him get amazing pictures uh this coer aens maybe some food also of or or
1:23:51
all of it one after the other if he has time and availability um has been a a great
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pleasure and a very nice talking to you pleasure is mine thank you very much and
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it was very nice to tell you all about all all these years uh whenever I tell
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my story to my friends my families and they always telling me that you should
1:24:17
you should tell someone this story you I think this is the time perfect you
1:24:22
should start with someone like I I'm very happy that I'm the that one person
1:24:28
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